Thursday, June 14, 2007

Catholicism—Vatican II embracing Islam

Steven wrote "The rallying cry against civilizational suicide will be Catholicism."

I couldn't disagree more. Since the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) the Catholic Church has headed the suicide of European civilization. Vatican II took place before the disastrous U.S. Immigration Act of 1965 and before the French plans for Eurabia. So the Vatican was actually the vanguard of multiculturalism and civilizational suicide, among the powerful Western political bodies. Read about the meaning of Vatican II in these two exchanges I had with Lawrence Auster:

Before there was Eurabia, there was Vatican II

Do Muslims go to heaven?

So the position of Catholicism since Vatican II is:

  • The Muslims are recognized as joining the Christians in adoration of the one Abrahamic God, i.e. Jehova.
  • Lumen Gentium §16--which says Muslims are “first among those” who are included in the special “plan of salvation”--is an invitation for the Muslims to a special VIP line to the Catholic heaven, where the only requirement is to "obey wholeheartedly [Allah's] inscrutable decrees." So the Vatican sends a clear message to the Jihadist to continue his Jihadism, and then the Church will embrace him. While if he ceases his Jihadism and converts to Buddhism he will be shunned by the Catholic Church and go to hell.
  • Muhammad is acknowledged as a messenger of the true God.
Catholicism has been one of the prime institutions in defense of European civilization during our history, but with Vatican II this totally collapsed and came to and end completely. As you see above, the doctrines of Vatican II are more sick and perverted than the worst kind of Communist propaganda decrees. With the Vatican II the Catholic Church ceased to be not only a bastion of Christianity, but also ceased to be a bastion of European civilization. As we will see the Catholic Church has turned into an adversary of European civilization. I will get back to this, especially in how the Church and Catholics push for open borders and mass Third World immigration into the West.

Lawrence Auster has summarized the evil transformation of the Catholic Church to the dark side as follows:

[S]ome of the most objectionable and dangerous liberal teachings of the Church are not just pastoral but are in the Catechism and thus required of Catholics on penalty of sin. The Catechism says that Catholics must forget the history of conflict between Islam and Christendom. Catholics are thus obligated to forget that their 1,400 year old enemy, their enemy who is commanded by his religion to subdue and destroy Christendom, is their enemy.

This is worse than suicidal liberalism [my emphasis]. This literally turns suicidal liberalism into a religion, which says if you believe that your enemy is your enemy, if you speak the truth about your enemy who is seeking to destroy you, you are in a state of sin and may go to hell.

More about Vatican II by Auster here.

3 comments:

Steven said...

Ciao again Cons. Swede,

So the position of Catholicism since Vatican II is:
The Muslims are recognized as joining the Christians in adoration the one Abrahamic God, i.e. Jehova.
Lumen Gentium §16--which says Muslims are “first among those” who are included in the special “plan of salvation”--is an invitation for the Muslims to a special VIP line to the Catholic heaven, where the only requirement is to "obey wholeheartedly [Allah's] inscrutable decrees." So the Vatican sends a clear message to the Jihadist to continue his Jihadism, and then the Church will embrace him. While if he ceases his Jihadism and converts to Buddhism he will be shunned by the Catholic Church and go to hell.


This is plainly a crock of shit with about the same finesse and acumen of Hindutvas reading the NT and saying tha Jesus wanted to slaughter people.

Take a break. The "clear message" from the Vatican to the Jihadists you insinuate is pathetic.

The Muslims are the first in believing in God (monotheism) only means that they are the most numerous. The Jews were the first. Read the whole Lumen Gentium.

Mohammad being recognized by the Vatican as a Messenger of the true God must have fallen out of your baloney sandwich or perhaps that of your friend L. Auster.

Meet you in Islamo-Christian heaven Cons. Swede where we can sip wine between copulating with the houris!

Conservative Swede said...

The Muslims are the first in believing in God (monotheism) only means that they are the most numerous. The Jews were the first. Read the whole Lumen Gentium.

First or second; it's the fact that they are more numerous that matters, and the fact that they are Muslims.

"The plan of salvation" includes the Muslims (according to Lumen Gentium). For a plan of salvation to be worth anything, it must mean a plan for avoiding the hell fire. Then there are only two remaining places to go: the purgatory or to Heaven. And the purgatory is only a delayed entry into Heaven, so logically speaking this committee of Vatican II has suddenly invited numerous Muslims into Heaven. Is a Vatican committee infallible? And if that is the case, did the metaphysical order change in the 1960s, or have the Muslims always entered the Christian Heaven? It seems to me that for a Catholic today he has to choose one of the two: either its theological tradition of 1600 years, or its political hierarchy with Vatican committees at the top. He can no longer have both. It's also a choice between whether he believes in a Heaven full of Muslims or not.

Regarding the clear message from the Vatican to the Jihadists, and how Muhammad has been recognized by the Vatican as a Messenger of the true God, they both follow by ironclad logic.

Finally, I have spent years defending Christianity against crazy and aggressive Hindutvas--who as you said would claim ludicrous things such as Jesus advocating slaughter of people. But they got one thing right. They opposed Christianity as strongly as Islam, by saying that they were tied together by belief in the same Abrahamic God. I opposed this perverted notion strongly, since the only basis for it was the deceptive fraud by Muhammad to claim so. Little did I know then that the Vatican II had swallowed Muhammad's bait, and tied Islam and Christianity together in exactly this way. Which makes at least Catholicism impossible to defend anymore against other religionists that claim that it has to be opposed together with Islam.

alexander.mantegazza said...

There is only one path into Heaven, through the Church. "The narrow path and the narrow door". That fact has never been changed, not by V. II or anything else. Stop going to Liberal Catholic Churches and find yourselves some hard line Orthodox Catholics (by Orthodox I don't mean Russian or Greek) to hang around with. Don't do a Luther and think you can do better. Reform from within not from without. The Church is merely biding its time, one day it will find its secular partner and together they will free the people of Europe from the yoke of Secularism and Marxism (its present form being so called Liberalism) and anihilate the enemies of God. Read V. II carefully read the other Papal documents since and pay close attetention to the wording. Christendom will once again rightly be called Christendom.