tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post30731868366717576..comments2023-10-31T14:07:04.482+00:00Comments on Conservative Swede: America as the birthplace of Multiculturalism and Political CorrectnessConservative Swedehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-4175876172993239702011-02-17T18:08:55.035+00:002011-02-17T18:08:55.035+00:00Polymath, Sailer's citizenism makes no sense b...Polymath, Sailer's citizenism makes no sense because most of the American citizens are alien fruitcakes and quite a lot of whites prefer them over fellow whites. But remove the latter part - I care about Somalis that are citizens of my country as much as I care about those in Somalia.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zj6e4v_sMs<br />If whites pushed for their interests, Americans not being a people would be obvious. And just like me if I was an American, I'd find any government in which outsiders can influence by voting irrelevant and not my own government. Sailer's view would have worked in 1860, not now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-3044476310290114942011-02-17T03:58:23.599+00:002011-02-17T03:58:23.599+00:00I'm not arguing about what should have been do...I'm not arguing about what should have been done in 1865. But that doesn't help figure out what America should do now. Obvious first steps are to abolish all anti-white preferences, stop subsidizing dysfunction, get rid of most of the immigrants who are not citizens, and so on.<br /><br />These are negative measures. More positively, Western Civilization should be re-privileged and its superiority properly presented, while the fundamental and serious things wrong with other cultures should be taught, as well as realistic anthropology based on HBD science.<br /><br />That still doesn't touch the race issue. There was a great debate on VDare.com between Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor about whether American whites, once they finally recognize that they need to act in their own interests as all the other groups do, should do so in a formally color-blind way (Sailer's "citizenism" proposal) or explicitly adopt "White nationalism" (which is not at all the same thing as white supremacism). See <a href="http://www.vdare.com/sailer/051120_response.htm" rel="nofollow"> here </a> and the previous articles in the series linked there. In the end there was quite a bit of common ground, especially regarding what needs to be done first. Once PC/MC has been made ridiculous and untenable and the borders have been defended seriously while non-citizen immigrants have their state benefits and most of their employment prospects taken away, and once anti-white policies and the subsidization of dysfunction are stopped (which can be done in a formally color-blind way), it will become necessary to resolve that debate, but we have much more immediate and politically promising ways to make progress.Polymathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12332963337386407840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-16684761413999444402011-01-31T02:46:25.451+00:002011-01-31T02:46:25.451+00:00Now I reread all the posts here. EP, blacks don...Now I reread all the posts here. EP, blacks don't see themselves as part of the same nation as whites anyway, so its not like they have a nationality now. And even if you made them citizens, without complete intermarriage to the point where they would have formed the same ethnic group, it wouldn't have solved the problem. I'd also like to point out that America would have stopped being part of any form of European civilization at that point.<br /><br />So really, as long as you kept the blacks around, the situation wouldn't have been solved. And reality shows that CS is right.<br /><br />And in Eastern Europe, we got over the slavery thing. We dislike Hungarians because they still agitate for crap, but a lot of people are saddened that the Germans left(who by the way, used Romanians as serfs). <br /><br />Afonso, your concept makes no sense. Why should citizens, who vote and can have political power, rule in the benefit of non-citizen nationals? The way you do things for rich people is give them residency and protected status. Or you need a totalitarian system who portrays itself to care about nationals and all that like Hitler pretended to care about Germans. What you said only works is if all nationals are citizens and you have a few other people become citizens, which I tried to say earlier, but didn't make myself clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-35562429444559262192011-01-28T23:47:00.491+00:002011-01-28T23:47:00.491+00:00Ten little Negroes ate eggs
One was intoxicated an...Ten little Negroes ate eggs<br />One was intoxicated and only nine were left<br /><br />Nine little Negroes went swimming<br />One drowned there and only eight were left<br /><br />Eight little Negroes ate baked chestnuts<br />One burned himself and only seven were left<br /><br />Seven little Negroes were building houses<br />One broke a leg and only six were left<br /><br />Six little Negroes were trying boots on<br />One slipped and only five were left<br /><br />Five little Negroes went to the theater<br />One played poorly and only four were left<br /><br />Four little Negroes were eating peppers<br />One was stung pretty badly and only three were left<br /><br />Three little Negroes went to war<br />One was shot and only two were left<br /><br />Two little Negroes fired a cannon<br />One of them died and only one was left.<br /><br />This apparently is based on Agatha Christie's book and it's a song for kids here. Obviously, the most racist song is probably our national anthem, since it pretty much says we are Christian and the descendants of the Romans. I'm shocked that nobody said we should change it so far. What's funny is that, along with not knowing what sex is until quite late in life, I had no idea what racism is either until about high-school. Sadly, people younger than me apparently know what both mean. <br /><br />I do like being among people who see our minorities having higher birth rates as the problem though. I'm not sure if this will still be the case. On another note, here student organizations are concerned about our abysmal birth rate, which is the result of the government keeping real estate prices high by keeping retirees on aid even if they're home owners, while taxing young renters. Pretty much insane.<br /><br />Since you mentioned blasphemy, I have a friend who really put together the whole religious symbolism is a joke. Racist being the new heretic, MLK the patron saint and so on. It's really funny to look at it from that perspective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-66815154787359153092011-01-23T23:12:58.011+00:002011-01-23T23:12:58.011+00:00After all these year I notice the following when l...After all these year I notice the following when listening to the Hottentot song:<br /><br />The Hottentots dances swing (because that's what Hottentots do).<br /><br />In the end the King gives Hoa-Hoa a kokosboll (not a negerboll). [This comment will only be funny for Swedes who know modern PC talk.]Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-34127757820210507072011-01-23T23:03:56.283+00:002011-01-23T23:03:56.283+00:00Somewhat improved google translation of the lyrics...Somewhat improved google translation of the lyrics:<br /><br />Deep down in dark Africa<br />at the river Chikahdoa<br />there lived a negro boy<br />named Hoa-Hoa<br />And he was not dressed as we<br />no, he did not care about clothes<br />But this did not matter<br />for he was a true HOTTENTOT<br /><br />He lived in a ¨negro village<br />for it makes the Hottentots<br />There lived also the king himself<br />and the king's wife and daughter<br />He was a fat and jolly man<br />and ring in his nose he had<br />that he thought was very stylish<br />for he was a true HOTTENTOT<br /><br />And the village was on the riverbank<br />with forest on all sides<br />And lions sneaked in the forest around<br />and wild elephants<br />When Hoa went out in the woods<br />he brought always with his spear<br />To watch out for big and small<br />so does a real HOTTENTOT<br /><br />One evening when everyone was asleep<br />you could hear something rustling<br />And Hoa suddenly waking up,<br />the whisper and rustle<br />And Hoa who was very wise<br />realized that something was wrong<br />And soon as he understood<br />that this was no HOTTENTOT<br /><br />There were no lions step<br />it could Hoa hear<br />It's probably Babo-tribal people,<br />what are they doing here?<br />On highwaymen rob them of course is<br />and intend to attack us<br />Then it is perhaps as good<br />to bring every HOTTENTOT<br /><br />So he sneaked out and listened<br />with his hand behind the ear<br />Then he crept up to the drums<br />and now you'll hear<br />The biggest drum, he then<br />and began to turn it on<br />The noisy as live ammunition<br />and out came every HOTTENTOT<br /><br />When the robbers came storming<br />then it was okay<br />For the Hottentots were<br />with spears and bows ready<br />When the robbers got this look<br />they did not want to be with<br />They turned around and got a hurry<br />thanks to a small HOTTENTOT<br /><br />And the King he was very happy<br />and it was all together<br />And the chef gave us milk chocolate<br />and all was joyful<br />Then there was dancing to Ljusnan days<br />the king's great pleasures<br />He both swing dancing and jumping<br />for it makes a real HOTTENTOT<br /><br />And the king said: I do Hoa<br />the prince among the Hottentots<br />And you should get a coconut ball<br />and also my daughter<br />Among all my black men<br />You should get to be my best friend<br />And follow me in the dry and wet<br />for you are a genuine HOTTENTOT!Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-37746320233630356182011-01-23T22:56:14.881+00:002011-01-23T22:56:14.881+00:00Hej Benge,
Yes I used to listen to that song abou...Hej Benge,<br /><br />Yes I used to listen to that song about the crocodile family living in Niggerland. It was completely innocent, no harm intented whatsoever, and perfectly normal still in the '70s and '80s (well not in the US though, they have been hysterical about these things since the '40s, which is exactly what I point out in my article above).<br /><br />And somehow, as we have perfected our brave new world, these sort of things have become the worst sort of blasphemy. And this idiocy has been exported to us from America.<br /><br />So thanks for "Herr Krokodil". Wonderful! I had forgotten. In return I give you <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnyxf3n1oc8" rel="nofollow">Margareta Kjellberg - Hottentottvisa</a>Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-7921782440904765202011-01-22T21:27:54.126+00:002011-01-22T21:27:54.126+00:00Moments after re-reading this excellent piece I wa...Moments after re-reading this excellent piece I was reminded of the nursery rhyme "Herr Krokodil" by Elsa Beskow (1943). I remember singing it without omissions as a child in the 70s. A couple of years ago it was blacklisted due to actions taken by a obviously swedishtongued woman living in New York called Michelle Cadeau!<br />http://www.expressen.se/1.105541Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-63617815753750561932010-03-14T23:13:00.970+00:002010-03-14T23:13:00.970+00:00EP, not making them citizens would have been an in...EP, not making them citizens would have been an incentive for them to leave. Anyway, the whole liberation thing was done wrong, they should have liberated only the slaves that were willing to move to another country. And by the way, economic studies showed that slavery would have became inefficient in a decade or so.<br /><br />The problem in the US now and cheap labour is that white Americans are made uncompetitive by the minimum wage or spend their days on welfare. It's all a function of the state involvement in the economy.<br /><br />Anyway, I agree with Afonso, you can give citizenship to others and not see them as nationals. This is what happens in my country - Hungarians and gypsies are citizens, but most Romanians don't see them as nationals and Hungarians are white. lol. This is why you might find comments on youtube videos and news articles in which a gypsy does whatever and people say that "oh, Romanians" and you will have Romanians say that they're not Romanian, they're gypsy. The same logic we had about Italy being pissed off at the gypsies that moved there and saying that Romanians do it - our only problem is that they said Romanians did it, when we consider only ethnic people Romanian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-56250148227014726952009-10-25T19:50:48.063+00:002009-10-25T19:50:48.063+00:00Fascinating post.
Suppose Americans were given th...Fascinating post.<br /><br />Suppose Americans were given the magic power to change past history.<br /><br />Suppose we'd organise a referendum over this question : would you like history to be re-made as if slavery in America had never happened ?<br /><br />Suppose that Whites and Blacks got to vote separately.<br /><br />My bet is that Whites would vote yes, and Blacks would vote no.<br /><br />All things considered, American Blacks came out the better for slavery (see the state of Africa). And unless someone proves that the economic development of the United States would not have happened without slave labour (I'm not aware that any historian has), Whites would have been better off without it.<br /><br />I certainly hope to be proven wrong, but the presence of a significant and enslaved black population at the start of United States' history might well be the seed of its ultimate destruction through multiculturalism.<br /><br />Question to CS : do you have positive information that Agatha Christie's "Ten little niggers" was changed into "And then there were none" in the US 1940 version, because of the offending nature of the word "nigger" ? And not for some other local marketing reason, as is often the case nowadays ?<br /><br />After all, they could have used the word "negro", which, if I remember correctly, was still the politically correct way to speak back in the 1960's -- precisely in order to avoid the word "nigger".<br /><br />When I first read the book in French, it was called "Les dix petits nègres". Thanks God, it still is :<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/yjqt4h4<br /><br />(You don't need to spread the news. Thank you.)<br /><br />The French "nègre" is a translation for both "nigger" and "negro". There's no equivalent for the distinction. Further down in history, it gave way to "personne de couleur" ("coloured"), then "Noir" ("Black"), and, more recently, in familiar discourse... "Black", which, since its Englishness gives it a trendy and hip quality, is deemed a tad more politically correct than "Noir", especially in Leftist circles.<br /><br />Nowadays, you can even be branded a racist if, on a TV talk-show, you mention, during a discussion about the concept of race, that one of your co-panelists is black.<br /><br />When I began blogging a few years ago, I was stunned to discover that a large number of Frenchmen (and an even larger proportion of the Left) actually believe that races do not exist, to the point of correcting you if you mention the R-word.<br /><br />My astonishment at such a discovery really proves I'm an old fart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-52238210200742313032009-09-09T02:32:58.308+00:002009-09-09T02:32:58.308+00:00CS,
I believe that my early post got lost, but th...CS,<br /><br />I believe that my early post got lost, but the whole idea is in the Reversal is possible thread.<br /><br />"Germanic people need to live in a land where Germanic culture and ethnicity is the norm in this very natural and strong way. 100% ethnic purity is not needed, is unnatural and a failed concept."<br /><br />There you also denies it but that's what i felt there. Anyway that's not the important issue. Who will and who will not survive it's up to fate but i sadly doubt anything west of lake lagoda and the vistula will survive.Rochahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07935944850929009202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-34197778466929446472009-09-08T22:33:56.298+00:002009-09-08T22:33:56.298+00:00the über-germanic empire disgusts me
I have no id...<i>the über-germanic empire disgusts me</i><br /><br />I have no idea of what you are referring to.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-2382852318266984752009-09-08T17:59:31.475+00:002009-09-08T17:59:31.475+00:00CS,
It's good tyo know that you noticed my po...CS,<br /><br />It's good tyo know that you noticed my post, since was the end of the posts and almost everyone had spent theirs i didn't think if i was noticed. Afonso ideas of citezenship are close to mine (i reject the monarchist overtones) what do you think of it? <br /><br />I have to say that i'm somewhat puzzed about some of your ideas (the über-germanic empire disgusts me) but others times your ideas make me think again, and i like to think. =]Rochahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07935944850929009202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-16608069195288501252009-09-02T17:23:58.380+00:002009-09-02T17:23:58.380+00:00I have lived in Sweden for a few years now, and am...I have lived in Sweden for a few years now, and am up for citizenship. <br /><br />The amazing thing i have found here is that native Swedes seem to feel some form of embarrassment towards their own nationality. It is almost like they are continually apologising for something that they have never done. <br /><br />The leftist movement (IMO) is always labelling patriots as racist rightwing extremists. One example that I noticed was that when I first came to this country, there was an abundance of anti-nazi propaganda (graffiti with swastika's and a cross over saying "Nazister försvinn").<br /><br />Whereas, there was absolutely no sign of Nazi presence at all. There were no skinheads, or propaganda. I am no advocate for Nazi ideology, but in this case it would appear that the leftist/muslim group were trying to indicate there was a problem by creating the illusion of an issue. <br /><br />This was my first impression of Sweden – oh did I mention this was in a predominantly immigrant neighbourhood? <br /><br />Why are Swedes so quick to defend an ideology that only causes them pain? Is Sweden headed for complete internal collapse and civil-war?John Sobeiskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197194296969518066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-57726771224759190662009-08-30T15:08:29.363+00:002009-08-30T15:08:29.363+00:00Dickens' personal conversion story is very dif...Dickens' personal conversion story is very different from the orthodoxy of PC.Engineer-Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06420685176098522332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-9058832955727277932009-08-29T19:55:53.060+00:002009-08-29T19:55:53.060+00:00"Political correctness" was not unknown ..."Political correctness" was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagin#Antisemitism" rel="nofollow">not unknown</a> in Europe before the post-war era...Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-70626087436501873822009-08-23T20:10:53.109+00:002009-08-23T20:10:53.109+00:00I'm skeptical. Even if European laborers woul...I'm skeptical. Even if European laborers would have accepted the jobs at a wage which left the cotton plantations competitive with e.g. Egypt, would they have been able to remain in business during the upset caused by the changeover?<br /><br />Historical contingency is a powerful thing. Once the South built its fortune on cotton grown by slave labor, no easy or quick changes were possible. This is why we have to get rid of cheap labor industries in the USA; we are just repeating the same folly.Engineer-Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06420685176098522332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-41449471801632214642009-08-19T15:47:54.809+00:002009-08-19T15:47:54.809+00:00Hmm. You compare the Islamic world and the America...Hmm. You compare the Islamic world and the American countries; but what about other societies - Ancient Rome? the Byzantine empire? China? Greece? Persia? the Aztecs? What were the normal practices?<br /><br />I think I need to find some good history books...<br /><br />My theory (although I'm not sure of it) is that geography had a lot to do with the difference. Simply allowing natural replacement was easier and cheaper than primarily relying on the transatlantic shipments. <br /><br />Engineer: the answer to your question is simple: they would have been replaced by European laborers.Lucillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03225011724349777456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-86820996589098962562009-08-17T15:48:02.171+00:002009-08-17T15:48:02.171+00:00"Didn't deport them, fine. But why on ear..."<i>Didn't deport them, fine. But why on earth make them citizens! THAT's the issue!</i>"<br /><br />Having obliterated the nationality they would have inherited from their parents, what nation would they belong to? Deporting them would have been kinder than denying them a nation to belong to. This is the logic behind the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution" rel="nofollow">Fourteenth Amendment</a>.<br /><br />If we have problems today, perhaps the solution is to encourage the problem people to leave. Commute prison sentences if they surrender their citizenship and leave the country, pay the welfare cases to go where their fees will buy a house and servants, and so forth.Engineer-Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06420685176098522332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-41599645166390395742009-08-17T14:16:23.162+00:002009-08-17T14:16:23.162+00:00So therefore the former slaves were made citizens!...So therefore the former slaves were made citizens!!??!?<br /><br />And today the Americans are equally eager to make their illegal aliens residents and then citizens. That REALLY makes sense, riiight! It's like an obsession, a madman obsession.<br /><br />Didn't deport them, fine. But why on earth make them citizens! THAT's the issue!<br /><br />The problem here is that modern people (and Americans since their inception) are completely devoid of understanding the meaning of citizenship, and the consequences of its meaning. The most vacuous ones do not even grasp that it has a meaning at all. <br /><br />It's like if people started seeing marriage as of no special importance anymore. But wait, that is pretty much how it is too in the West today, isn't it?Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-6277786632097276602009-08-17T03:39:29.093+00:002009-08-17T03:39:29.093+00:00NB: deporting the former slaves was a non-starter...NB: deporting the former slaves was a non-starter even in the 1860's. Who would have worked the cotton fields of the former plantations? Certainly not people from the industrial cities of the North! Shutting down the economy of the South was as contrary to the goals of Reconstruction as it was to the need of the North for that same cotton.<br /><br />There would have been an immediate need to import a new worker class to replace the one just deported. Then, as now, the business elite was interested in cheap labor. They turned the freed slaves into sharecroppers held in debt peonage and business went on for the better part of a century. We are still paying the price.<br /><br />You can see echoes of this cheap-labor paradigm (socializing the costs, privatizing the profits) in the use of illegal immigrant and "refugee" labor in meat-packing plants and agriculture around the USA. The solution is to get rid of cheap labor and mechanize, mechanize, mechanize! Machines wind up in museums, not causing social ills to the seventh generation and beyond.Engineer-Poethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06420685176098522332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-28095567203282232502009-08-15T02:41:32.303+00:002009-08-15T02:41:32.303+00:00Afonso,
We'll not fight about it, will we?
Y...Afonso,<br /><br /><i>We'll not fight about it, will we</i>?<br /><br />You seriously need to make a choice.<br /><br />Either you continue with your cocky and taunting style. But then you shouldn't come whining, in this way, when you are met in the same manner.<br /><br />Or you conform with a well-behaved manner to start with, and you do not need to lose face.<br /><br />I think the second choice will cause less trouble for all of us.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-13817894438164310332009-08-14T23:37:09.502+00:002009-08-14T23:37:09.502+00:00Roman, you're a Polish guy that also comment o...Roman, you're a Polish guy that also comment on Brussels Journal, right?<br /><br />Anyway, I liked your comment and I don't think it is off topic especially once Con Swede invited people here to answer to the Gates of Vienna thread.<br /><br />I don't know much about Eastern European serfdom or Germanic serfdom and I truly cannot identify much with an advent like the Thirty Years War due to cultural dissimilarities but my impression is that "serfdom" in Western Europe was different from that in Eastern Europe.<br /><br />But I also only know some things about it over the Atlantic fringe. And now that I think about it, we here on Portugal and Spain under feudalism had some other entrepies going on sush as war, war, war, ethnic tensions, war and colonisation.<br />So that my impression is that here "serfdom" was just the hard life of poor, brute but good people in the fields. I don't think that my grandfather was less of a slave than the serfs of the Visigoths, for instance. My father.... that's an whole different story.Afonso Henriqueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17337052330672681364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-64878302560193982852009-08-14T20:39:59.007+00:002009-08-14T20:39:59.007+00:00Altogether, the issue of slavery is very complicat...Altogether, the issue of slavery is very complicated indeed, especially in Eastern Europe.<br /><br />Actually serfdom(a different name for slavery) in big parts of Poland ended in 1864 only! Even later than in Russia! I refer to so called "Congress Poland" under Russian control.<br /><br />The tensions resulting from this are still noticeable - the parts of the society that have some aristocratic background still despise peasants, who were kept uneducated for generations. I suspect that "Polish jokes" common in the US have to do with the influx of illiterate Polish peasants to America in 19th century. <br /><br />This split in the society was the main reason for the loss of independence in 18th century. The ruling "Sarmatians", as the Polish nobility started to call themselves (inventing their ancient ancestry), claimed that they are the only rightful citizens and removed any chances of upward mobility for peasants. This in consequence weakened the town folk and replaced the native bourgeois with large Jewish petty merchant class who were easily controlled and acted on behalf of the nobles. Which resulted in the famous Polish populist anti-semitism and general backwardness. Btw - it isn't my theory, Norman Davies has described it in his books - he is considered by many the best in the field of Polish history. Altogether this subject is rather avoided by native Polish historians, since it undermines the much -cherished myth of greatness of the First Republic (until 1795) which fell prey to "evil" Russia, Prussia and Austria and not to the general corruption of the Polish ruling class. <br /><br />Most of the Westerners have heard about Russian serfdom through Nicolai Gogol and his "Dead Souls". The situation was rather similar in most of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - a sad story. <br /><br />This post might be perceived a bit off-topic, but I think it (that being so recent) might help us to widen the scope of discussion. <br /><br />Actually very large part of these serfs were of Germanic origin, having been invited (imported) en masse since Mongol invasions(starting 1241), which completely depopulated large parts of Poland. Scores of villages by the name of "Olendry" (the Hollanders) attest to that. There is a village called Wilamowice (from Willem probably) where Germanic language is still spoken.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WymysorysThe Romanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07624237688299215369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-8978925682821429472009-08-14T18:30:23.115+00:002009-08-14T18:30:23.115+00:00"What you say about "citizens" and ..."What you say about "citizens" and "nationals" is confusing and incomprehensible."<br /><br />Let me try to simplify it. I know I sometimes cannot express myself as well as I want to.<br /><br />The concept of Nationality would be transmited by "jus sanguinius" (not sure it's how it is spelled), meaning that it would be transmited from parents to children. It would be granted to the entire people of a Nation. That people would have all the benefits and all the responsabilities to the State, the State would exist to serve them.<br /><br />In a way, this concept of Nationality follows that hardcore Nationalist view of it as a somewhat exclusive club. (It would be derived from the Hitlerian ideal of a "Volk" or the way indigenous Arabs are prefered in the United Arab Emirates).<br /><br />The benifitors of Citizenship would be, in a way, second class citizens. They would enjoy some benefits and have some responsabilities.<br />You know that foreign that is likable, actually enriches us somewhat but is not exactly one of ours? That would recieve the Citizenship.<br />It does not matter if he's a cuisine chief, a football player or just the immigrant who behaves well and actually does the job no one wants to do without bothering a soul (they are very few, but they do exist).<br /><br />I hope it is now understandable, Conservative Swede.<br /><br />Concerning Mexico, like every other former colony substatially populated by European peoples (colonizers), it was the Europeans who fought for the independence. And like most Latin American countries, Mexico found itself with a majority non white population but with a substantial population being part of the European Civilisation. Thus, Mexico had this two heritages: An European and an Indigenous one, and since the independence it triuphed a liberal European mindset.<br /><br />Now, the interesting thing about Mexico is that it was a country with a large Indian heritage that justified independence from Spain but at the same time, the thinking in Mexico was not too indegenous but European, although of liberal inclination.<br /><br />Mexico got an (the only) Indigenous president in the 1860s.<br />After some time there was a liberal revolution - the Mexican Revolution - that originated a constitution dated from 1917 in which we can read that Mexico is a pluricultural indivisible Nation based on the indigenous comunities.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Constitution_of_1917#Article_2 - Here's Wikipedia.<br /><br />I believe you know that in Mexico there are no Europeans, Africans or Indians. All of their are "mestizo" and rightly diserve California and Texas which have been stole from them.<br />At least, that's what they say. This is part of the deranged Mexican multiculturalim that cames from long.<br /><br />There is also a very widely known Mexican writer who speaks about a mix-race super race that is destined to take over all the Americas.<br /><br />It's all these early multiciltuarism in Mexico that I was talking about.Afonso Henriqueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17337052330672681364noreply@blogger.com