tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post4414726943581302978..comments2023-10-31T14:07:04.482+00:00Comments on Conservative Swede: Nazification Spells and Philosemitic Assurance: The EDL Case and TheoryConservative Swedehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-43617934467461500082011-07-18T12:49:07.216+00:002011-07-18T12:49:07.216+00:00Why take a stance at all? Israel has nothing to do...Why take a stance at all? Israel has nothing to do with Europe or Europeans. They are a middle eastern people, who speak a semitic language and have a semitic religion. They are semites. Otherwise they would have no claim on Israel. The surivival of the west does not mean the survival of Israel.Norse Wargamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00278670220050563031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-86665063573575650912011-07-05T21:19:28.023+00:002011-07-05T21:19:28.023+00:00When it comes to curing the Screaming-Nazi-Heeber-...When it comes to curing the Screaming-Nazi-Heeber-Jeebers, I think it can be done indirectly. Leftist hegemony is protected by a linguistic barrier; keywords like "racist," "sexist," "privilege," and so forth form the main bulwark, while pre-Leftist words like "discrimination" and "hatred" have been co-opted by Leftist interests. We can break its grip by re-defining as many words as possible, and more importantly, insisting on these new definitions in everyday conversation. Suppose you insist that it's not "sexist" to think that there are neurological differences between the genders. If this was done on television, in the newspapers, or in a moderately large blog, the conservative interlocutor would be swamped and promptly Nazified. <i>However</i>: if you do this in everyday conversation, esp. one-on-one conversations, you will find that people change their minds much more easily. More to the point, they will begin using your definitions when speaking with other people, even if they never explain it, so the change spreads like a virus. This works because Leftists can only attack in swarms. A linguistic attack of this nature, executed against individuals, works like one of those ant traps containing poison food; the ants bring the chemical back to the colony, and the swarm slowly begins to break up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-1696468771596422022011-07-03T11:37:42.344+00:002011-07-03T11:37:42.344+00:00Since the Jews are on topic now, I read an article...Since the Jews are on topic now, I read an article by Adam Garfinkle about why Americans are obsessed with the Jews and the Jews in general that I considered fairly good. I disagree with some parts, but it's a thesis I found in more places and I agree with part of it, so I think it would be an interesting read: <a href="http://www.fpri.org/footnotes/1412.200908.garfinkle.zionismjewcentricity.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. <br /><br />I think he doesn't go deep enough, doesn't analyze the role of Christian ethics and how we view the Jews through that prism and a myriad of other issues that were brought up either on this blog. What he does though is mention yet another narrative that prevents us from thinking rationally about the Jews. Or at least it prevents some people.<br /><br />I will add something to what Adam wrote in the above article. Americans are also fascinated by 'oppressed' people because they are the descendants of the people who fled oppression in Europe - and this is why Americans also hate traditional Europe. The feelings of Wilson and other Americans can be understood through this lens, I think.RebelliousVanilla1https://www.blogger.com/profile/12966103707484389862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-74193271642054366622011-07-03T10:19:11.051+00:002011-07-03T10:19:11.051+00:00Sorry for my mistakes above, it was Verdi's &q...Sorry for my mistakes above, it was Verdi's "Nabucco" and the Babylonian slavery, not the Egyptian one, but I was in hurry and the point I wanted to emphasize remains :)Armancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10917726886023850294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-76236022762099598532011-07-03T09:47:49.215+00:002011-07-03T09:47:49.215+00:00Now, since for Christians deprived of their tradit...Now, since for Christians deprived of their traditional or ethnic backbone the only thing to rely on is "the new Jerusalem" or "Israel, beacon of hope and light", what's left for the secularised Jews, once they leave the shtetl or the ghetto, give up their strict religious traditions and adhere to the principles of Haskalah, the Jewish Enlightenment? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskalah)<br /><br />The documentary "Defamation" that I recommended gives the answer: the new creed, dogma and raison d'etre of the secular Jews, once they get out of the shtetl, is "fighting anti-Semitism". That's the new Yahve, the Law and the scriptures of the secular Jews, the same way for modern Christians it is democracy&freedom or Liberté, égalité, fraternité. All the fervor and mysticism that Orthodox Jews put in their religion can be found in the secular "fighting anti-Semitism" metamorphosis. "Defamation" is illuminating in this respect. "Fighting anti-Semitism" as the new Yahve explains a lot about the EDL affair and many others, too.Armancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10917726886023850294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-72425451137418440592011-07-03T09:14:05.775+00:002011-07-03T09:14:05.775+00:00I have to add, regarding Israel, the Christian nar...I have to add, regarding Israel, the Christian narrative and European nationalism, that the analogy between Jews and European nationalists was very popular in the XIXth century, when the first nation states appeared in Europe. For example, in Verdi's "Aida", the chorus of the slaves (Hebrews lamenting over their fate in Egyptian slavery and longing for their beloved Jerusalem) was conceived as an analogy with Italians' own desire for liberation from the Austrian/Hapsburg Empire, and that's how it was (emotionally) viewed by the Italians of that time. So, "the new Jerusalem" is not only an American meme, but it was intertwined with the birth of democratic nation states in Europe, too (this relates to a discussion on a previous entry of yours about the egalitarian, neo-Christian nature of the European nation states and Konkvistador's observation that "democratic" gives the same warm and fuzzy feelings today as "Christian" yesterday).<br /><br />My comments are slightly off-topic, but I want to say that European Christians, when "democratised", secularised and deprived of their traditional backbone, will have only "the new Jerusalem" and "Israel, beacon of hope and light" to rely on, which means nationalism by proxy. So, besides SNHJ, that's one of the (self-inflicted) explanations of the Philosemitic Assurance.Armancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10917726886023850294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-66030752605235676792011-07-03T07:14:52.754+00:002011-07-03T07:14:52.754+00:00it is the clearest case of a common phenomenon.
...<i>it is the clearest case of a common phenomenon. </i><br /><br />I think one aspect of the phenomenon you describe here is what I call "nationalism by proxy". Since taking pride in or feeling a sense of belonging to your ethnic heritage and traditions is verboten if your ethnic group happens to be white Christian European, people are compelled to find groups that are less demonized than their own for expressing what was once considered love for the fatherland. The natural inclination to feel good and secure as a part of your extended family is thus more or less subconsciously transferred and chanelled towards groups that are sheltered under the umbrella of PC/MC. It's like prison inmates or sailors who, being deprived of women for a long time, direct their affection and lust towards other men.<br /><br />Placing Israel/the Jews above your own country/people is an example, but other examples are the chase for "Black conservatives" in the Tea Party to gain legitimacy or the praise of "Hispanic family values", a la G.W. Bush. Because if you mention the "WASP family values" you will be viewed as a bigoted, ignorant redneck, so you have to find a group that is more valued on the PC/MC scale. Anyway, "nationalism by proxy" is one of the sources for the "Israel, beacon of hope and light, the bastion of our civilization" stereotype that can be encountered among both American conservatives and European counterjihadists. Such amount of loyalty and glorification is, in normal times, reserved for your country, and that was exactly the language of European nationalists until a few decades ago. In the case of Israel, the glorification is aggravated by the special place Israel/the Jews occupy in the Christian narrative.Armancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10917726886023850294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-44190863587866887362011-07-03T06:31:53.549+00:002011-07-03T06:31:53.549+00:00Take the democracies and their ideals - we basical...Take the democracies and their ideals - we basically would have to fight a war in order to end war, be intolerant to promote tolerance. This requires men to fight at the same time that was as such is criticized - they must be heroes while pacifism is proclaimed as an ideal. Men have to become warriors when warrior is a synonym for criminal. Right now, a just war is just a large scale police operation and combat is just defending oneself as a last resort. So the West as it is must die because nobody will defend it. And it doesn't deserve to be defended because the modern West merely leeches on the achievements of the West that took place prior to our problems and on technical prowess, which has nothing to do with our philosophical/moral problems.<br /><br />So what we must do isn't trying to preserve the West, but carrying the torch for those will rebuild the next great European civilization and who will perpetuate our peoples. What is odd is that even if we mustered up the will to fight, we would fight for the things that are destroying us, which makes fighting for anything even worse. What we need is to create a new paradigm that is worth fighting for and a lot of community organizing to make societies with members that are closer to each other. For me, fighting for my own dispossesion doesn't cut it.RebelliousVanilla1https://www.blogger.com/profile/12966103707484389862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-66819141251630926612011-07-03T06:31:17.440+00:002011-07-03T06:31:17.440+00:00Conservative Swede, see, blog posts like these wer...Conservative Swede, see, blog posts like these were the reason I kept bothering you. While I knew the gist of what you written, seeing it written down by someone else pushes the borders of subconscious into the conscious. I had the same experience in terms of you criticizing universalism. Nice masthead. ;)<br /><br />Baron, Julius Evola wrote something in regards to the end of civilizations. "When a cycle of civilization is reaching its end, it is difficult to achieve anything by resisting it and by directly opposing the forces in motion. The current is too strong: one would be overwhelmed. The essential thing is not to let oneself be impressed by the omnipotence and apparent triumph of the forces of the epoch. (...) It might be better to contribute to the fall of that which is already wavering and belongs to yesterday's world than to try to prop it up and prolong its existence artificially."<br /><br />While I disagree on certain things with Evola, I believe he is 100% correct on this one. The current paradigm isn't just bad on having a debate on the Jews since if this was the case, its problems would be fairly irrelevant. The problem is that it denies any relevant conversation beyond Lady Gaga and Lil Wayne. I mentioned this in another comment on ConSwede's blog - be it the debate in between the de-growth environmentalists and the cornucopians or any other field that has impact on the substance of our lives, any rational debate is impossible to be had besides in small circles of people. Not to mention the need for policies that are reasonable and not based on utopic models.<br /><br />The way I see it, the West is dead and even if it wasn't, I hardly see a point in keeping it alive. The rhetoric of democratic ideals, human rights, equality and all that just doesn't do it for me. A huge problem of our world is its complete destruction of the concepts of duty, honor and heroism. In such a world, the only reason one has to fight is for himself. So I doubt people will go die for some abstract concept of freedom. Only ideologues spin the wars into this. The Civil War had nothing to do with abolishing slavery and Americans didn't enlist to fight Nazi Germany because of their fondness of Jews. I'm fairly sure the latter enlisted for the glory of the United States of America. What's odd is that even if our concept of glory and heroism weren't dismantled, you can't have glory while you are forced to pay welfare benefits to the invaders of your country who are raping your women(which is the case in the Nordic nations). So inside this paradigm, winning is impossible because gathering the will to win is impossible. I'm not sure if you can convince a Swedish man to go die for the human rights of the people raping Swedish women on his dime and making him believe that he is doing a heroic deed.RebelliousVanilla1https://www.blogger.com/profile/12966103707484389862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-68139215780044449822011-07-03T01:55:40.644+00:002011-07-03T01:55:40.644+00:00According to the Swedish version of Wikipedia &quo...According to the Swedish version of Wikipedia "At Ragnarök, the Yggdrasil will tremble and groan but still remain standing."<br /><br />More info and theories <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil#M.C3.ADmamei.C3.B0r.2C_Hoddm.C3.ADmis_holt_and_Ragnar.C3.B6k" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-66076553439463574152011-07-03T01:48:16.037+00:002011-07-03T01:48:16.037+00:00Yes, I'm familiar with it.
Unfortunately, I ...Yes, I'm familiar with it. <br /><br />Unfortunately, I will be one of the dead ones underneath the wreckage of the mega-tsunami. Only a few robust young people like you will make it.<br /><br />Does Yggdrasil stop turning when Ragnarök arrives? If so, that makes the analogy even more like the Urth of the New Sun, because planetary rotation is briefly interrupted as the planet assumes its new orbit.Baron Bodisseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13518154807805363319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-91242317950173504312011-07-03T01:25:41.616+00:002011-07-03T01:25:41.616+00:00Baron,
Unfortunately I have not read that book. B...Baron,<br /><br />Unfortunately I have not read that book. But I will consider it.<br /><br />You will not be surprised if I bring up Ragnarök as my point of reference. This is when all the gods die (Odin, Thor, etc.), so it's an obvious point of time when the rules of magic changes.<br /><br />Ragnarök is not an end, but a new beginning. With <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADf_and_L%C3%ADf%C3%BErasir" rel="nofollow">Liv and Livtrasir</a> as the initiators of the new breed of humanity.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-64723308609118043572011-07-03T01:15:21.563+00:002011-07-03T01:15:21.563+00:00Actually, I was more thinking of the end of the &q...Actually, I was more thinking of the end of the "Urth of the New Sun" series by Gene Wolfe. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but at the end of the last book, the prophecies are fulfilled: to replace the dying sun, a new sun approaches the Urth and yanks it into its orbit.<br /><br />The old civilization is destroyed by the massive gravitational effects, and only a remnant of humanity crawls out of the mega-tsunami wreckage to begin all over on the newly-formed land masses.<br /><br />That's what I see happening to us. Everything will seem fine and normal right up to the last moment, and then tremendous unimaginable devastation, with the remnant emerging to start it all over.Baron Bodisseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13518154807805363319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-3834598770750002952011-07-03T00:58:45.878+00:002011-07-03T00:58:45.878+00:00Hi Baron!
Yes I saw your article about SNHJ (schi...Hi Baron!<br /><br />Yes I saw your article about SNHJ (schicklgruberitis). Very good one. I already thought of bringing it up in a coming post of mine. You see this post can be seen as part of a series. But as hinted already in this post, the SNHJ is just a special case of a more general phenomenon. I'll get back to this.<br /><br />Regarding magic: since you have a blog at a or two magnitude bigger than mine, you have to respect the rules of magic. At least your wife is very good at doing so. Therefore I must say that you are brave to make these comments at my blog, since I'm a kind of a magic nihilist. Please notice that your comments here will make your magical protection weaker.<br /><br />Regarding your question: no kind of magic leads of out of this mental maze. The purpose of all magic is to keep us inside the maze. Both you and me have white knuckles in trying to resist the gravity of this magic.<br /><br />If you have read enough fantasy fiction, you will be familiar with the concept of a new age, when the old kind of magic fades away, and a new one emerges. That's the only kind of thing to hope for. There's nothing to hope for given the rules of magic of today.Conservative Swedehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10307427516065904295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3023482402423762474.post-28565745226800595462011-07-03T00:21:33.368+00:002011-07-03T00:21:33.368+00:00Ho! Nailed it yet again, Mr. Swede.
But will eith...Ho! Nailed it yet again, Mr. Swede.<br /><br />But will either kind of magic -- the Nazification spell or the Philosemitic Assurance -- help cure the Screaming Nazi Heeber-Jeebers?<br /><br />That's the big question for me, and for all the dedicated folks at the Gates of Vienna Foundation. Curing SNHJ is an important part of our mission.Baron Bodisseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13518154807805363319noreply@blogger.com